"Any emotional hyperreaction to a relatively small adverse event in any human beyond childhood age is most likely ‘historical’."
I agree for the most part, having read much about trauma, especially that of childhood, and having found therapy to unravel it. Trauma can be debilitating until it is unravelled in a manner in which we can be made whole, or as much as is possible.
But an emotional hyperreaction can also be a result of being over-burdened by current events as an adult. The plate breaking might just be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Too much sturm und drang. Too much drama.
What I am saying is that trauma can be both historical and current. And it can be built layer upon layer. At one time, many decades ago, I felt like I was like an onion. This was during my days as an engineer.
After I left engineering for good and returned to school, went through therapy and became more of my true self, I understood how much trauma is both real and how deep-rooted it can be.
I agree to this too, Perry! Brief generalisations are always a bit risky. Thank you for this qualification and differentiation 🩵🙏
It is quite astonishing when we discover (in later life) how much trauma (and drama) we've been carrying around for far too long. How did we survive??!?!
Ah, yes, "Why (on earth) do I want to hold this wild belief?" Trusting that always deep within is a positive intention reaching through the murk toward wholeness.
Not a direct connection, but this brings to mind one of my strong go-to's when faced with an entrenched inner part that seems "negative." It comes from Connirae Andreas and is related to NLP, called Core Transformation. The central practice is one of asking a simple question of such a part of oneself, "What do you want?" Then, being fully welcoming toward the answer (no matter how reactive it seems to be), and following up with, "And if you were to have that, exactly the way you want, fully and completely, what do you want, even more important, through having that?"
This ripples through the Concilium, I suspect, and a shift can happen, sometimes small, sometimes large. And you continue to follow the thread with another cycle of the same followup question to whatever answer emerges, and another cycle, etc., until you find yourself arriving at what Connirae calls a "core state," from which great wisdom is available. Leading the perspective of that core state back down through the chain of wants can transform how one inhabits the original trigger pretty profoundly.
Looking forward to the next two seats being filled!
Thank you so much, Joe for reading and offering your valued perspective!
I am not familiar with NLP (I've never felt attracted to the idea of 'programming' a living organism) so it's curious to hear that you pick up something familiar in the session with the Concilium.
I am sure there are many ways of stimulating spontaneous shifts in self-perception and deepening understanding. That's the fun part of exploring the human mind /inner world, no? Always something new to discover, and every new perspective shows a different facet of some deeper truth we are all seeking.
Ha! I agree, the idea of "programming" is kind of lame, and NLP in general was/is not the greatest system/modality because of that. Some key insights held in a larger frame that really was not all that healing overall. But the Core Transformation practice turns out to be an incongruity with NLP as a whole, and I attribute that to Connirae's insight. She was working in the context of mostly men (including her husband Steve Andreas) promoting the mostly "programming" approach, but held her own. Worth looking into if you ever get a chance. (https://www.coretransformation.org/)
Oh, thank you for clarifying that, Joe. Your associative pointer towards NLP got me worried for a moment... only slightly... 🤔💭
Every system or modality must have a kernel of truth, somewhere, and I'm happy to check out the Core Transformation practice. Thanks for pointing me in that direction 🙏
I decided to look into what Connirae might be up to these days, and it turns out she's developed another form she's calling The Wholeness Work (https://www.thewholenesswork.org/) that might be even more resonant with your own work. It has some echoes with my work as well, and I'll probably reach out to her one day soon. Thanks for the opportunity to make that connection -- I love how synchronicities like that take shape.
interesting, thank you. I've downloaded both books and look forward to experimenting with the suggested exercises to get a feel for Connirae Andreas' work.
Thanks Veronika for this invitation into the Concilium of Inner Wisdom and a kairotrophic practice. Living into the questions. Thanks for your gifts, and the map of the Noctarine. Experience in the endoperience and ektoperience.
Sticking to the trail. Clues. Synchronicity.
I will lean in to follow the red thread - through.
Hi Veronika, so I am looking at my page of notes, so much of what you have written resonates and so much more I need to re visit, as per usual 🙏😊. i share your enthusiasm for the exploration now ... thank goodness for my 'Inner Healer ... spilling the beans on me.' Our inner world being our 'sovereign territory' ... it's only been this last year of writing that this has dawned on me. I really am not too sure how the last few years might have panned out for me, part of my inner world is the ancestors that I can so gratefully communicate with, I could not have imagined how expansive this universal wisdom is, or what it is. the 'irrational and involuntary responses' being our 'immature creatures directly linked to unprocessed trauma' ... thank you for bringing clarity to this ... much of the last 6 years has been the domino effect of one trauma linking to another and so forth. Like the rest of us, I am a work in progress of course, though I am gratefully in the space of having discovered 'the dormant potential of a wild belief', and as you further note, my 'inner demons have lost their inner power', and I am in the stage of 'transforming them into accomplices' ... that's where I am harnessing the benevolent assistance from those very ancestors who are part of the pattern ... transformation permeates all timelines. Thank you Veronika.💜🙏
Thank you again, Simone, so much for your resonance and feedback and sharing of your own journey 🧡🙏
The domino effect you mention! Yes!! This is what I experienced too, initially, when I immersed myself in my 'inner work' 25+ years ago. My journey was catalysed by domestic violence, which brings a lot of overwhelming grief in its wake in a different form. Yes, when we follow the thread of a triggering event it first leads us over the threshold of the Inner Healer straight to the trauma, then through the dramatic performance of the Inner Artist, and through the wild belief (if we choose to accept it) to the dormant potential...
... and then, each time you think you've dealt with 'one of them' the next one comes along... I think this pile up of trauma dominoes is a direct result of the consistent and ongoing suppression and misinterpretation over so many generations and centuries! I believe it's quite a miracle that we are able to do this work at all! So glad this resonates with you 💗🙏
Hi Veronika, domestic violence is also an aspect of my journey, and links to why I was allowing a work colleague with narcissistic tendencies to gaslight me etc, and why I stayed in such a toxic work environment when my GP was telling me to get out because I wasn't safe there, and what I was enduring spoke of underlying traumas I hadn't dealt with — I thought I had🤦🏼♀️. A year later John gets sick, which was the invitation to greet the wild, and of course this work is continuing, with the help of John ❤️, the team and ancestors. I too believe it is a miracle. Never in my wildest dreams did I think this would happen. i am so very grateful for all of my connections, both sides of the veil, the learning and the shifts I have accomplished. Thank you for your work Veronika, it brings clarity with the new.🙏💜😊
great to have such a GP who sees those signs!! I had a lawyer who told me 'you are making very severe accusations' (when I was just sharing some facts, trying to be as non-accusatory as possible)
Isn't it incredible how the outer world events are tied in directly with the underlying trauma?
So sad that John's sickness had to be part of this journey, but we have to meet the wilderness wherever and however it wants to meet us. Somewhere there is a greater Consciousness that knows more than we ever will...
Again, thank you so much for sharing these parts of your story, Simone 💗🙏
Thank you too for sharing Veronika. Yes, l have no doubt that John was part of the universal, soul plan for our evolution, it was how he managed his illness, his loss … and the continuing soul connection that led me to fully explore the wilderness, it might sound strange, l am in a ‘better place’ than l have ever been, the inner child really is having a great time exploring. 😊🙏🏼💜
💜🙏🏼😊 Thank you, yes it was the hardest thing l will have to do in this life. With gratitude l learned how to harvest the gifts, including the courage to go within … to accept my wild child too 😊. Warm hugs back 😊
"Any emotional hyperreaction to a relatively small adverse event in any human beyond childhood age is most likely ‘historical’."
I agree for the most part, having read much about trauma, especially that of childhood, and having found therapy to unravel it. Trauma can be debilitating until it is unravelled in a manner in which we can be made whole, or as much as is possible.
But an emotional hyperreaction can also be a result of being over-burdened by current events as an adult. The plate breaking might just be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Too much sturm und drang. Too much drama.
What I am saying is that trauma can be both historical and current. And it can be built layer upon layer. At one time, many decades ago, I felt like I was like an onion. This was during my days as an engineer.
After I left engineering for good and returned to school, went through therapy and became more of my true self, I understood how much trauma is both real and how deep-rooted it can be.
I agree to this too, Perry! Brief generalisations are always a bit risky. Thank you for this qualification and differentiation 🩵🙏
It is quite astonishing when we discover (in later life) how much trauma (and drama) we've been carrying around for far too long. How did we survive??!?!
In part, ignorance, when young. But this eventually catches up with us.
Ah, yes, "Why (on earth) do I want to hold this wild belief?" Trusting that always deep within is a positive intention reaching through the murk toward wholeness.
Not a direct connection, but this brings to mind one of my strong go-to's when faced with an entrenched inner part that seems "negative." It comes from Connirae Andreas and is related to NLP, called Core Transformation. The central practice is one of asking a simple question of such a part of oneself, "What do you want?" Then, being fully welcoming toward the answer (no matter how reactive it seems to be), and following up with, "And if you were to have that, exactly the way you want, fully and completely, what do you want, even more important, through having that?"
This ripples through the Concilium, I suspect, and a shift can happen, sometimes small, sometimes large. And you continue to follow the thread with another cycle of the same followup question to whatever answer emerges, and another cycle, etc., until you find yourself arriving at what Connirae calls a "core state," from which great wisdom is available. Leading the perspective of that core state back down through the chain of wants can transform how one inhabits the original trigger pretty profoundly.
Looking forward to the next two seats being filled!
Thank you so much, Joe for reading and offering your valued perspective!
I am not familiar with NLP (I've never felt attracted to the idea of 'programming' a living organism) so it's curious to hear that you pick up something familiar in the session with the Concilium.
I am sure there are many ways of stimulating spontaneous shifts in self-perception and deepening understanding. That's the fun part of exploring the human mind /inner world, no? Always something new to discover, and every new perspective shows a different facet of some deeper truth we are all seeking.
Ha! I agree, the idea of "programming" is kind of lame, and NLP in general was/is not the greatest system/modality because of that. Some key insights held in a larger frame that really was not all that healing overall. But the Core Transformation practice turns out to be an incongruity with NLP as a whole, and I attribute that to Connirae's insight. She was working in the context of mostly men (including her husband Steve Andreas) promoting the mostly "programming" approach, but held her own. Worth looking into if you ever get a chance. (https://www.coretransformation.org/)
Oh, thank you for clarifying that, Joe. Your associative pointer towards NLP got me worried for a moment... only slightly... 🤔💭
Every system or modality must have a kernel of truth, somewhere, and I'm happy to check out the Core Transformation practice. Thanks for pointing me in that direction 🙏
I decided to look into what Connirae might be up to these days, and it turns out she's developed another form she's calling The Wholeness Work (https://www.thewholenesswork.org/) that might be even more resonant with your own work. It has some echoes with my work as well, and I'll probably reach out to her one day soon. Thanks for the opportunity to make that connection -- I love how synchronicities like that take shape.
interesting, thank you. I've downloaded both books and look forward to experimenting with the suggested exercises to get a feel for Connirae Andreas' work.
Thanks Veronika for this invitation into the Concilium of Inner Wisdom and a kairotrophic practice. Living into the questions. Thanks for your gifts, and the map of the Noctarine. Experience in the endoperience and ektoperience.
Sticking to the trail. Clues. Synchronicity.
I will lean in to follow the red thread - through.
Looking forward to the next two elders. 🙏❤️
working on the next chapter as we speak 😊
... in the meantime, do let me know how it's going, and if there are any questions, or any 'holes or bumps in the trail'...
thank you so much for your continued support, and for being a fellow traveller on the inner journey 💗🙏
Hi Veronika, so I am looking at my page of notes, so much of what you have written resonates and so much more I need to re visit, as per usual 🙏😊. i share your enthusiasm for the exploration now ... thank goodness for my 'Inner Healer ... spilling the beans on me.' Our inner world being our 'sovereign territory' ... it's only been this last year of writing that this has dawned on me. I really am not too sure how the last few years might have panned out for me, part of my inner world is the ancestors that I can so gratefully communicate with, I could not have imagined how expansive this universal wisdom is, or what it is. the 'irrational and involuntary responses' being our 'immature creatures directly linked to unprocessed trauma' ... thank you for bringing clarity to this ... much of the last 6 years has been the domino effect of one trauma linking to another and so forth. Like the rest of us, I am a work in progress of course, though I am gratefully in the space of having discovered 'the dormant potential of a wild belief', and as you further note, my 'inner demons have lost their inner power', and I am in the stage of 'transforming them into accomplices' ... that's where I am harnessing the benevolent assistance from those very ancestors who are part of the pattern ... transformation permeates all timelines. Thank you Veronika.💜🙏
Thank you again, Simone, so much for your resonance and feedback and sharing of your own journey 🧡🙏
The domino effect you mention! Yes!! This is what I experienced too, initially, when I immersed myself in my 'inner work' 25+ years ago. My journey was catalysed by domestic violence, which brings a lot of overwhelming grief in its wake in a different form. Yes, when we follow the thread of a triggering event it first leads us over the threshold of the Inner Healer straight to the trauma, then through the dramatic performance of the Inner Artist, and through the wild belief (if we choose to accept it) to the dormant potential...
... and then, each time you think you've dealt with 'one of them' the next one comes along... I think this pile up of trauma dominoes is a direct result of the consistent and ongoing suppression and misinterpretation over so many generations and centuries! I believe it's quite a miracle that we are able to do this work at all! So glad this resonates with you 💗🙏
Hi Veronika, domestic violence is also an aspect of my journey, and links to why I was allowing a work colleague with narcissistic tendencies to gaslight me etc, and why I stayed in such a toxic work environment when my GP was telling me to get out because I wasn't safe there, and what I was enduring spoke of underlying traumas I hadn't dealt with — I thought I had🤦🏼♀️. A year later John gets sick, which was the invitation to greet the wild, and of course this work is continuing, with the help of John ❤️, the team and ancestors. I too believe it is a miracle. Never in my wildest dreams did I think this would happen. i am so very grateful for all of my connections, both sides of the veil, the learning and the shifts I have accomplished. Thank you for your work Veronika, it brings clarity with the new.🙏💜😊
great to have such a GP who sees those signs!! I had a lawyer who told me 'you are making very severe accusations' (when I was just sharing some facts, trying to be as non-accusatory as possible)
Isn't it incredible how the outer world events are tied in directly with the underlying trauma?
So sad that John's sickness had to be part of this journey, but we have to meet the wilderness wherever and however it wants to meet us. Somewhere there is a greater Consciousness that knows more than we ever will...
Again, thank you so much for sharing these parts of your story, Simone 💗🙏
Thank you too for sharing Veronika. Yes, l have no doubt that John was part of the universal, soul plan for our evolution, it was how he managed his illness, his loss … and the continuing soul connection that led me to fully explore the wilderness, it might sound strange, l am in a ‘better place’ than l have ever been, the inner child really is having a great time exploring. 😊🙏🏼💜
Wow! Let me just tell you Simone, you are an incredible woman! I imagine this to be the one of the hardest challenges. warm hugs xxx
💜🙏🏼😊 Thank you, yes it was the hardest thing l will have to do in this life. With gratitude l learned how to harvest the gifts, including the courage to go within … to accept my wild child too 😊. Warm hugs back 😊